There was a story on how Batman was too old and that they needed a new batman. So they took some of his DNA and found a family who they altered the husbands DNA to that of Bruce Wayne's. So that Batman would have a "son". there were events that put into place to have Terry's Family murdered so that he would go through the same pain as Batman (not thinking, hey this could go the wrong way) but at the last second the killer "Barbra Gorden" had decided that her killing the family members to create a situation in which a Hero could be made to replace the missing batman in their world still wasn't worth it.
Years Later it turns out that Terry gets into a fight in front of Batman's place. Fate (aka writters) and the events that ensue make him the new Batman. It is only revealed that to Terry that all this happend when he grows into his mid 20's.
people at that point of the story could have it where Terry would crack thinking that his life was all planned out for him to be Batman... and he could easily loose all interest or hope in being the new BATS or he could even Snap, and think that everything he was and is up till now was nothing more then a show and become a bad guy.
But being trained by batman he went back to confront Bruce about it all. Bruce knew nothing about it, but had some ideas that this was the case.. because a few years back Bruce needed a a transplant and the only person who could help would be a 1 in a million shot or a blood relative. Terry has helped. So the original Batman, being Batman has a theroy already but kept it to himself not being sure how Terry would take it.
You see while Terry followed a lot of Bruce's advice, he also bucked against him. Terry hated when Bruce would Hack into his life without his permission, but terry needed to do that to keep tabs on people as well... only terry didn't do it as often as Bruce did because Terry chose to trust people with some of their own issues they were having and he wanted them to solve the issues on their own, instead of being like Old Man Bats and making everybody's problems and solutions his responsibility.
At that point in the story Terry sees that Old School Batman didn't want to have kids or anything pretty much because he didn't want anybody to go through the pain and being alone like how he was. He had a hard time Trusting anybody even Terry, so his romantic relationships could never really work out, and people who he dated had a hard time trusting him because he kept to himself, left people hanging, things like that. But to the public he was their hero. Only the people who watched his private life knew anything that was going on with him. Everybody else only saw Playboy bruce wayne or the Dark Knight.
Terry didn't want to be like the old man for sure because even the way he handled the villans was different then Bruce would have. Like when he went up against the joker. He noticed that Joker's mission was to make Batman laugh cause he was so serious. (i love the animated joker better then Movie Joker.... HATE movie joker.)
On a side note I loved what they did with Red Hood in "Batman Brave and the Bold" and how when he had the chance to become Joker... instead of cracking, he snapped back. It those moments like that where you can see how somebody can fight the programing of their life. Where they may not have a choice about being brought into a wold that they are forced to live in, but they have the ability to resist and fight against it, and make the changes and not repeat the mistakes of their partents, friends, or peers. it's almost like "if you don't want somebody to do something like that to you, then you shouldn't do it to them...even if you think it is the way it is the only option you have...don't fall into the same pattern of the things you hate."
So while some heroes fall into the "i'm going to be just as bad as them" other don't go that route or just go close enough to it that they are still on the other side of it.
Geez good guys and bad guys are complicated.
LOL sorry this whole post is a bit loony

Oh yeah.. all this is coming to mind because i'm trying to nail down how complex a character can become over time even if he isn't from the start... and trying to build relationships in a cast can be had when you first start out.... dun dun dun. Also I am working on nailing down Shado's Ultimate bad guy character.
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WE RULE SHIT- Penn and Teller.
Kill the redhead and take the Wookie instead. ~UltraBeavis
After confronting the new person who was his namesake he excepted the fact that someone was carrying on his name and fighting for what they believe in. I just think stories where a icon passes on his or hers legacy to someone else is a natural progression and the ultimate form of homage.
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WE RULE SHIT- Penn and Teller.
Kill the redhead and take the Wookie instead. ~UltraBeavis
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Loves life
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WE RULE SHIT- Penn and Teller.
Kill the redhead and take the Wookie instead. ~UltraBeavis
Screw that bookstore for not having it. I should have checked B&N while I was there today...
Actually, according to B&N's website, they have it in stock at our store. We should stop in, then.
But yeah! Bad and good guys are really interesting- the way I write them isn't really to put them in either category. If someone's antagonizing your main char, they're a villain. Period. Regardless of what they're doing. They could accidentally bump into your main char and make him drop his ice cream cone, they've just antagonized him (whether or not it was on purpose, in my mind, is only a slightly after the fact worry). But definitely, it's only a few little things, or reacting to even one situation in a certain mind set that can set people on the bad-do trail.
Oh man I hope you're writing who I think you are *w* mweheheh! *gets back to paneling*
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